#3 Norman J. Gould

Norman J Gould, president of the Finger Lakes Council, BSA during the 1930’s was born in Seneca Falls on March 15, 1877. He attended school in Seneca Falls and in Lawrenceville, NJ. He was a graduate of Cornell University in 1899 and was class president and manager of the Cornell crew. Following graduation, he came back to his native area to work in the family business, Gould Manufacturing Company. He became president of Gould’s in 1908. He was active in the Masons, the Shrine, and the Elks. He served in the House of Representatives from 1915 to 1923. He was involved in many professional organizations and the Presbyterian Church. In 1921, he married Anna Benrath of Philadelphia.

Mr. Gould was very active in Scouting, serving as Council president for many years. He was awarded the Silver Beaver for his leadership of the Council during the transition from Camp Tarion to Babcock-Hovey. He donated the water system at camp. He also was on the Seneca Fall Board of Education and Village Board of Trustees. Mr. Gould died in 1964.

(As Posted in the Camp Babcock Hovey Golden Jubilee Commemorative Book)

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#2) A story that most of you have never seen

Today’s story is about a Memory Book that most people have probably never seen because it was never part of the Babcock-Hovey Museum collection.

Rob Cunningham and the Seneca Waterways Historical Society have graciously provided a Memory Book from Camp Tarion that tells us about the summer adventures in 1926 of a Scout named George R. Wilhelm. It is not quite a journal entry, but it will give you some insight into the life of a Scout at Camp Tarion. We will get to Babcock-Hovey stories soon.

You can download the whole PDF here (Camp Tarion Memory Book), or download the individual pages here-

If you have stories or memories of your own, then email them to us so we can post them(matthewcrance@gmail.com).

We would like to mention at this time that the Babcock-Hovey Alumni Association in conjunction with the Seneca Waterways Historical Society will be transforming the Memorial Lodge at camp into a temporary scout museum for the 2012 camping season. We are hoping to have it up and running by the June Conclave at Camp Babcock-Hovey and to keep it up through the Challenge Trophy Camporee this coming October. The Displays will include items from Camp Babcock-Hovey history but also items from OA Conclavesand general Scouting History. The Seneca Waterways Historical Society has amassed an impressive collection of Scouting History, some of which will be on loan to display this summer. We would like to show our appreciation to the  Seneca Waterways Historical Society for securing the use of three display cases for the temporary museum. Thanks!!!

The next post should be up by tomorrow morning, check back soon!

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#1 Camp Tarion

You might think it is weird that we start the story about Camp Babcock-Hovey with another Camp, Camp Tarion. However it is important to set the stage, a stage that is currently empty and waiting for the actors to come out. Camp Tarion was on Canandaigua lake and was only accessible via boat during the summer times. This made it difficult to bring supplies in. The steep hills did not offer as much space as was needed to operate a scout camp. Supplies and coal had to be brought in via boat to keep the generator running and the fridge full. It became apparent to many that Camp Tarion was not meeting the needs of Scouts and Scouters in the Finger Lakes Council. So a quest to find a new camp would soon fall in the lap of Judge Latham (Camp Selection Committee Chairman) and Mr. Gould (current council president). But before we jump ahead too much lets tell you a little about Camp Tarion.

The following history was taken from the old Finger Lakes Council web site

(http://www2.grady.com/bsafingerlakes/) and can be currently found at http://www.scouttroop.org/ny/bsa/90/history.htm

Formal Scout camps in the 1920’s were much more rustic than today. Army surplus was the order of the day and “home made” the rule more than the exception.

Although it included 286 acres of wooded hillside and a mile of waterfront, the Finger Lakes Council’s Camp Tarion didn’t look like much by modern standards until 1928. Located in Yates County along the southeast shore of Canandaigua Lake, there were no roads in, the power source was literally driven over the ice, and headquarters was a tent. Nevertheless, the Council was justly proud of its first camp. When Scouts first went to camp, they arrived as individuals, not troops. This was changed in 1934. After that year, Scoutmasters escorted their troops for one week periods although more time was allowed. Those who chose to provide their own equipment, provide their own leadership and cook their own food paid $1 per boy per week in the mid-1930’s. A troop of eight or more boys could go for a flat fee of $5 in 1936.

In 1929 a new lodge was opened. That 60 foot by 30 foot building had a general assembly room with a eight foot fireplace, a dispensary, a canteen, offices, cooks quarters and work room. The 10 foot by 60 foot porch was often crowded. The trading post/canteen was, of course, much smaller than modern boys would expect. Old time campers relate that the coin of the realm was scrip. Accommodations for the boys were the traditional military style squad tents, erected on platforms in later years. Campers with -at least a year’s experience were allowed to occupy “lone point” down by the lake. A mess hall, with room for 100 people, was erected on the lake shore. It is the only original structure on the old Camp Tarion site.

      

From the start the Council Camp staff had been comprised of individuals, professionals and volunteer Scouters with varying expertise. A regular feature of early Scout camping was “skinny dipping” in the morning. That practice was an important factor in the closing of Camp Otetiana, but seems to have been common in the 1920’s and 1930’s. For obvious reasons waterfront activities were important at Camp Tarion. The bottom dropped off quickly in the lake there and diving close to shore was common though dangerous. The old steam engine, originally used for power, was pushed into the lake when it was no longer needed and boys often tried to dive far enough down to touch it.

A 25 foot motor launch was obtained by the council to complement six rowboats and a motor canoe. In 1936 the Geneva Rotary Club donated a 32 foot launch to the Council. Dr. Stephen Eaton, noted Hobart College naturalist and author, conducted classes on both land and water. Many Scouts found themselves plying the waters of nearby West River as a part of camp activities, and there were the inevitable encounters with nature which make a camping experience memorable.

     

Duty to country was also an important part of camp life from the beginning. Early Council literature reveals that merit badges were awarded only after passing a board of review and providing “definite affidavits to prove that he has been living up to his Scout Oath and Law the best he can.”

There were problems with Camp Tarion, however, most notable was the small size of the usable land surface. There always seemed to be only two directions: up and down. In the days when a 14 mile hike was required for First Class, and each camp had a Hikemaster, the steep wooded slope had some advantages. The only way into camp, short of a long hike, was by boat. No road came near camp. All food came by boat from Vine Valley or Woodville. Like the site of Camp Otetiana, camp Tarion is visible today almost opposite Woodville on Bush Point. Tarion still looks much like it did when the last Scouts left it in 1938, now privately owned a rough private road has been put in.

Editors Note-

I am also posting the following items –

June 29, 1929 article about Camp Tarion

Camp Tarion – Geneva NY Daily Times 1929 Jun-Oct 1929 Grayscale – 0164

A 1935 Brochure from Camp Tarion

Camp Tarion – 1935 Brochure

Letters about Rotary help in obtain a Boat for Camp Tarion

Camp Tarion – Letters about Rotary Help with Boat

To the best of my ability I believe Camp Tarion was located at the following locations, (please correct me if you believe differently) – (GPS) N 42 40.822 W 77 20.955 Decimal Degrees 42.680369  -77.349243 . I believe this is what Camp Tarion looks like today-

And for the historical buffs out there he are a few more websites to browse that make mention of Camp Tarion-

1)

http://raims.com/historian/Cruise.html

2)

http://books.google.com/books?id=hUMEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=camp+Tarion&source=bl&ots=qFDImfM3c_&sig=H4AUvL5Etrt9N-KLTV1ANZr2V3s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=T_UjT730Iejk0QHl0oXxDQ&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=camp%20Tarion&f=false

3)

http://tcpl.org/local-history/documents/towns-villages/150_Years_of_Progress/150years202-237.pdf

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Short Stories Coming Soon!

The Babcock-Hovey Alumni Association is going to attempt to tell a story; a wonderful story of a 300 acre camp on Seneca Lake near Ovid, NY. The camp is 75 years in the making but the story is not yet complete. To tell the story, we need your help.  Please correct us if we are wrong, add your own memories, and enjoy the story as it unfolds. We plan to tell it chronological in order, but we may jump around at times as new information comes forward. Since the human memory is imperfect and many of these events occurred before our life times, these memories may not be complete and perfect. We really hope that you will enjoy these post over the next few months. We are aiming for 75 different short stories in time for 75th Anniversary of Camp Babcock-Hovey on June 30, 2012. We hope we can gather as many alumni as possible to celebrating the anniversary of our beloved camp. The first short story will be coming soon.

Yours in Scouting,

Babcock-Hovey Alumni Association

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By Laws

Babcock Hovey Alumni Association By Laws

Includes Rules of Operation on:
Organization
Purposes
Membership
Dues
Executive Committee and Officers
Meetings and Distribution of Information
Finances
Amendment of Rules

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Hello Fellow Alums…please take a minute to write your piece of Hovey History

If you have not done this Blog thing before, here are a few helpful tips…

All you need to do is submit your name and email at the time of the posting and you can post something live to the stories section of our website.

Over time we are going to get quite a few posts from various people, it would be swell that when you add a post, if you could also add a few tags to the post, such as things that deal with time like ‘1987’ or programmatic like ‘lakefront’ or content based like ‘bad news’

You will get the hang of it…happy writing.

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